Hello guys,
There is one thing I have a problem with while using Studio One 4.5
When browsing through the presets of a VST Synth (like for instance Omnisphere, Diva and so on..) I often have the problem that sometimes I can scroll through the synts presets with the cursor keys, and sometimes not. And sometimes it just switches the track in Studio One.
The thing is, that sometimes it does work as wished - and then sometimes not. I didnt fine a rule there.
I also tried to assign extra keys for preset navigation in the 'key setting' which kind of didnt work for me.
Your help is much appreciated. It's the last big thing I have to solve. Apart from that I'm so much in Love with my new DAW.

For Omnisphere I double click the patch, move the mouse scroll wheel to check, and after that can use the cursor keys consistently. But you can't then touch any other control or the focus gets lost.

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romandtwiler wroteHello guys,
There is one thing I have a problem with while using Studio One 4.5
When browsing through the presets of a VST Synth (like for instance Omnisphere, Diva and so on..) I often have the problem that sometimes I can scroll through the synts presets with the cursor keys, and sometimes not. And sometimes it just switches the track in Studio One.
The thing is, that sometimes it does work as wished - and then sometimes not. I didnt fine a rule there.
I also tried to assign extra keys for preset navigation in the 'key setting' which kind of didnt work for me.
Your help is much appreciated. It's the last big thing I have to solve. Apart from that I'm so much in Love with my new DAW.

The only rule might be the position of the cursor, or where you last clicked. If the cursor resides over the arrangement area or at left over the tracks (around where the track name, input/output section is) controls can become quite different. Studio One is rather sensitive to cursor position. For instance, hovering over a data field like transpose, or position markers iwill change that very item if you scroll. Or your cursor resides over a fader. Then move the cursor to tracks, and scroll, and suddenly the tracks scroll (if track count is greater than the size of the screen. On the flip side, this kind of positioning can be really useful once one gets use to cursor positioning. Of course frustrating when one doesn't. Just routinely be aware before committing to using the cursor keys, scroll wheel, etc.
Yeah, assigning keys might be useful. I'm not sure where they would override cursor position or retouching that position. We'd probably have to talk specifics, but for now, just be aware of cursor positioning, and last clicked areas that might throw off focus, as chrismarshall2 pointed to as well.
The only other rule would likely be the VST itself. I tend to see the cursor positioning, or last clicked item being the gating factor in most cases (barring any unforseen situatuons).
There might be a feature request somewhere, as it's been talked about. I could see where cursor and position control should have optional preferences.

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This has been a long time bug that I've noticed in Presonus studio one since v3. It's hit or miss, sometimes the qwerty keyboard arrows work and sometimes not. It's definitely a bug.
It seems to happen more with Omnisphere, but it also happened with U-he Synths from time to time.

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First of all, thanks alot for all your support here.
so with all the information, i had a closer look to this phenomena:
- For Omnisphere: Even if i click on a preset, stay with the mouse on exactly the same spot, sometimes with the curser up/down it will change presets, sometimes not. and sometimes it changes the track/instrument. There is no logical behaviour
- For Diva: It actually workes better as Omnishphere, i can also navigate left right, that means navigate between the different columns. But also here, it sometimes suddenly switches the tracks.
- In Massive X: I can't do anything with the cursors. (But that's maybee Massive-X )
- In Synthmaster 2.9: It actually works best here. I can use the up/down keys with no problem. When i use left/right here (it all in one column) it switches the track.
- In Vengeance Avenger: It works quite nice.
- In Serum: When in the browser Menu, even if I use the cursors up/down (whicht worked mostely fine with the others i tested her) it doesnt work correctly. That means: Sometimes i can browse up/down, sometimes it changes the track/instrument.
So i can clearly confirm, there is a different behaviour, dependent on the synth. But all in all, I can confirm, that the behaviour is very often not conclusive at all. I didnt have this issue with my old DAW (Cubase 9.5). Preset navigation worked really fine there.
Anyway, I hope, this issue can be solved quickly, since its quite of a problem for me. Or, if this behaviour is in any way intended, that there might be a switch to turn it off.
Thank you Users and Presonus Team for your much appreciated help.

I find it all rather works well. In Serum for example I like to get to the preset browser that comes from clicking on the little icon (top right to the left of the Menu icon) That browser always works for me.
Keeping it in focus is the key as to whether it works every time or not. if you are selecting tracks with your up/down arrows it means you have lost focus (ie it has gone back to Studio One) and the Serum browser just needs to be brought back into focus. This seems to work similarly with most other synth browsers as well.
If you have got a Kensington Trackball connected by any chance the outer ring does an amazing job of scrolling presets in browsers. Especially when there many more sounds that you can see in one window.

I like to believe OP's issue has to do with how a plugin is programmed regarding the up/down arrow keys for preset browsing.
For instance:
Omnisphere has preset browsing by cursor keys implemented.
So, when given focus to Omnisphere (by just clicking on Omnisphere plugin window), it 'steals' the up/down cursor keys from S1.
This also goes for example for Serum.
Massive X has preset browsing by cursor keys NOT implemented.
So this plugin therefore doesn't 'steal' the up/down cursor keys from S1, thus, these 2 keys will keep working in S1
(although Massive X might be in focus!)
I can't help with the flakey behaviour OP experiences, in that it sometimes works and sometimes not..
At last:
To my knowledge, there is no functionality in S1 that prevents plugins from stealing the up/down cursor keys when they are focussed (should you want that).

Thank you guys for all your support here, nice to see how active the community is here.
Back to my problem:
Since the behaviour with the cursor-keys in S1 seems to be a bit unpredictable, another work-around would be to assign other keys than the cursor keys to browse throught presets.
I did as the support told me:
Open the keyboard shortcuts, and map the Preset Previous and Next buttons if they are not mapped. Screenshot: https://www.screencast.com/t/ezDKd2jmo
That's what i did, but i never managed do assign new keys that would work in an external VST synth to browse through presets. (It worked for S1 internal Synths though, such as 'Mai Tai')
Does anyone have another idea how to solve this problem?
Ohterwise, im gonna give this one a try: Kensington Trackball

Oh, you're talking about the actual Preset Previous and Next buttons. Honestly I've never used the arrow keys for those, there could very well be some kind of issue there but I also imagine they'd only work for Presets that were saved in the Studio One preset format. We all assumed you were talking about the internal browsers of the plugins (such as Serum or Komplete Kontrol).
Sorry i'm not more help but hopefully this clears it up for others since you're actually talking about something different.

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romandtwiler wrote
Ohterwise, im gonna give this one a try: Kensington Trackball

The trackball outer ring is good for exposing long lists of sounds but wont select them directly. Also the ball itself is nice for hovering over presets then the normal left click button will drop them into the synth. So it still allows to play with one hand and select with the other.
I also see on Windows the Up/Down arrows also can behave differently to Mac with the same plugin. And yes some synth plugins don't respond at all as noted here too.

chrismarshall2 wroteFor Omnisphere I double click the patch, move the mouse scroll wheel to check, and after that can use the cursor keys consistently. But you can't then touch any other control or the focus gets lost.

WOW - thanks - that worked great for SynthMaster 2.9.8

Hi,
I'm new to Studio One having switched from Sonar.
I'm on Windows 10 and my interface is a Focusrite Scarlett 18i20
If I leave (but not close) S1 to use the internet (Youtube) or play an MP3 on WMP, when I come back to S1 this box keeps popping up ....
Also the song I have loaded on S1 now plays slow and down-pitched.
Your assistance is most appreciated

Last edited by timconway1 on Fri Jan 18, 2019 8:26 am, edited 1 time in total.

Are you using ASIO audio, or Windows audio?
It sounds to me like S1 is setting the sample rate to 44.1K when you start it up and the Windows app is changing it to 48K. When you go back to S1, it's now wrong.
If you use ASIO, it's entirely separate from the Windows audio. Now, I'm not familiar with your interface, but on the ones that I use that's how it works.
If you are using ASIO for S1, then I'm stumped.

j0001s wroteAre you using ASIO audio, or Windows audio

I’m now away from my PC so apologies if this sounds dumb but where/how do I check this. Thanks

I owned a scarlett 6i6 (1st gen) before which had the same behaviour. The device will not switch sample rates as triggered by the DAW. You could check the Focusrite site for beta drivers. A good workaround is to set the device (I think you use MixControl for that) to the desired samplerate and after that start Studio One. That helped for me. I sold my 1st gen scarlett because I got tired or these driver issues. Bought in 2014 and had lots and lots of driver issues. Sound and hardware was very good but bad bad drivers. As up to today they never released an newer official driver for it.
Oh yeah.... I remember now.... Please set you Audio in the Windows configuration panel from 48 (DVD quality) to 44.1 kHz (cd quality) for playback and recording. That might help as well. Even though it's a Windows setting it will determine the sample rate of your device.Samplerate switching was Always a mess with my device.....

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Thanks, I'll check the drivers.
Just to confirm it is using ASIO audio

I downloaded and reinstalled the necessary from Focusrite website. This seems to have given me another option to select that wasn’t showing before - ASIO USB2 with Mixcontrol. I think there was just ASIO before. Anyway selecting this may have solved the issue hopefully. I’ll check again later. Thanks

You need to set your ASIO drivers in Studio One to the ASIO for your Focusrite device. I think sample rate is in fact hardware related but of course managed by the drivers. If your windows drivers set it to 48kHz (which was the default setting in my case) your ASIO drivers used in studio one must still set it to 44.1 succesfully. That's where it went wrong in my experience. So if you set your windows audio settings all to 44.1 it is already set to what you want in Studio One and ASIO does not have to do it. But..... of course you will get a problem again if you want to create a 48kHz project in studio one. Also good chance that newer beta drivers will fix your issue.... That you have to try....

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Thanks for your advice.
Can you tell me where..or how I go about changing the Windows Drivers settings?
Cheers

It's in the control panel. That will be a lot of click this and click that to explain. Watch the instructions in this link. Lef me know if you cannot manage and i will try to make an instruction for you.
https://youtu.be/ko1A1qcqWWQ

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Many thanks for that
Appreciated